conda-forge core meeting 2022-07-27

Add new agenda items under the Your __new__() agenda items heading

last weeks meeting What time is the meeting in my time zone Meeting info:

To join the video meeting, click this link: https://zoom.us/j/9138593505?pwd=SWh3dE1IK05LV01Qa0FJZ1ZpMzJLZz09
Otherwise, to join by phone, dial +1 347-384-8597 and enter this PIN: 828 997 153#
To view more phone numbers, click this link: https://tel.meet/ijv-qsvm-tvn?hs=5

Attendees

Name	Initials	GitHub ID	Affiliation
Marcelo Trevisani	MDT	marcelotrevisan	conda-forge
Katherine Kinnaman	KK	kathatherine	Anaconda
Jason McAllister	JM	Solid-Snake-Jay	Anaconda
Matthew Becker	MRB	beckermr	cf
Dave Clements	DPC	tnabtaf	Anaconda
Jaime Rodríguez-Guerra	JRG	jaimergp	Quansight/cf
Daniel Ching	DJC	carterbox	Argonne
Jan Janssen	JJ	jan-janssen	Los Alamos
Wolf Vollprecht	WV	wolfv	QuantStack
Matti Picus	MP	mattip	Quansight/PyPy
John Kirkham	JK	jakirkham	NVIDIA/cf
Axel

XX people total.

Standing items

intros for new folks on the call
open votes

From previous meeting(s)

Your new() agenda items

(JK) R-base compilers
- R-base pulls in its own compilers which may be different from your current platform. Possible solution: turn off activation for that env. Works everywhere but windows (but windows doesn’t matter in this case since its for cross-compiling on linux)
  - https://github.com/conda-forge/r-base-feedstock/pull/213
- Upstream issue that motivated this
  - https://github.com/conda-forge/ctng-compiler-activation-feedstock/issues/74
- Blocks xgboost updates
  - https://github.com/conda-forge/xgboost-feedstock/pull/88
- Need to get the R team involved before we can make progress
- Potential risks?
  - (CHL) This may break install.packages(...) in R, but I'm not sure.
(JRG): Review guidelines PR is welcoming comments
- This is FYI - folks should look at this PR
(JRG): Status of GPU CI server
- Changing datacenters; updates will be provided as soon as we know more.
(Axel): Static abseil builds as escape hatch for those not on C++17
- JRG: Leave one - two weeks for folks to comment.
- Axel: Especially if you disagree with the rename "abseil-cpp" → "libabseil" due to this
(Axel): Status of "special ops" CI queue initiative
- MRB: Waiting on ToS writing with NumFOCUS
(Axel): Move to vc142 on windows
- (MP) numpy has open issue to move away from static lib. It is not clear how NumPy can work around this without shipping a dynamic library in the binary package.
(MP): (if there is time) Update on the PyPy 3.8/3.9 migration:
- Scipy was just merged, matplotlib is waiting for pyqt, jupyter_core is waiting for pywin32. It would be nice if there was a way around those dependencies
  - It should be possible to manually push a migration PR to matplotlib and jupyter_core, hopefully the bot will pick up the new packages
- A recent update to the pypy-feedstock (misnamed pypy3.6-feedstock) but aarch64 and ppc64 builds take too long to run on CI. Isuruf gave me access to vms to produce builds, but they have run out of disk space. Can they get restarted somehow?
(JK) Looking into HPy builds of Python

Active votes

cfep-21 license packages for static/header libraries
- Opened July 25, 2022 ends August 2, 2022

CFEPs

cfep-12 Removing packages that violate the terms of the source package
- Stalled since May 26, 2020
- Active debate about moving to "broken" vs deleting from conda-forge channel
- Active vote, ends on 2020-03-11
- What were the results of the vote?
- Did we hear back from NumFOCUS? they did the legal seminar which is recorded

TODOs

2022-06-15

(MvN) vs2022 compiler support
- Initial stab at some pieces https://github.com/conda-forge/vc-feedstock/pull/46
- This is a new VC version
  - Uses existing UCRT
- Would need to use the windows-2022 github actions image
- TODO: follow on to change the name of the runtime to vc_runtime
- TODO: will need patches for msys epoch for UCRT
- (CHL) For reference: msys2 environments - pick your own compiler + libstdc++ + Windows runtime adventure
- https://www.msys2.org/docs/package-naming/
- (RG) "we need some version of mingw-w64 for SciPy 1.9.0 too, MSVC + gfortran will no longer work. we use an Rtools toolchain in CI now"
(CHL) How does conda-forge use channeldata.json?
- Only known use by c-f: counting # of package namespaces for "By the numbers" on the webpage; other uses deprecated
- TODO: CEP to deprecate & remove --use-channeldata from conda-build
- TODO: CEP to add run exports to repodata.json

2022-04-05

TODO: Articulate suggested mechanism for "so you're thinking about taking a contract to work on conda-forge". tl;dr is you should work on a design doc with the impacted parties (or working groups, or interested folks) on the conda-forge side. Once you have agreement on the scope, delivery timeline, and anything that's needed from the conda-forge volunteer side, go ahead and sign that contract with your payer. if you don't do this first, you may encounter some difficulties finishing delivery of your contractual agreement with your payer.

2022-01-12

review Qt PR after logs are uploaded
Add cupython and cuquantum to don't mirror list (MRB done)
re: std=c++14, Wait for Kai to comment and merge the PR
CJ and Jaime coordinate to Let Maxiconda know that we can't use their logo 2021-12-01
WV: Set up meet-and-greet call with homebrew team?
MRB: (repodata patches) make a cron job that runs show_diff.py and posts an issue + commit if it is non-empty

2021-11-03

Self-hosting CI TODOs:
- Change URL from drone.conda-forge.org. Proposals:
  - woodpecker.conda-forge.org
  - ci.conda-forge.org
- Set up monitoring
  - Quantstack is setting up grafana for the mirror

2021-10-18

2021-09-22

(WV): TensorFlow-GPU ready to go, just need to decide if GPU should get prio over CPU?!
- GPU gets prio

2020-11-18

(IF/MRB/MV) intel oneAPI
- todo
  - (Nikolay) licensing for opencl_rt
  - (Nikolay) intelmpi ABI compat w/ mpich
  - (MRB/IF) figure out how exactly to package C/C++ compilers
  - (MRB/IF) think about fortran ABI
  - (MRB) make conda-forge compilers room (add people including keith)
(MB) asking core members to move to "emeritus" status
- TODO: Eric to set up quarterly check-in for all core members to see if they're interested in remaining "active" or if they want to move to emeritus
  - Remove emeritus folks from having access to various credentials (api tokens, twitter password, etc.)? This would require a change to the governance doc.

2020-11-11

TODO: Think about bringing in JOSS to provide context around how we might best write papers

2020-11-03

TODO: Check on Forrest Watters permissions for core

2020-10-28 2020-10-21

(Marius?) Python 2.7 migration
- ( ) [ ] make a hint
- ( ) [ ] make an announcement
- ( ) [ ] make the hint a lint

2020-10-07

Make sure to add the NVBug info to the cudatoolkit package that conda-forge makes (if we make one)

2020-09-09

(ED) Update governance docs with similar voting model as what got put into conda-tools (+3 with no -1 is a pass)
(SC) Write jinja template to turn institutional partners yaml into a website https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/blob/2a2d3caaf7d74eb370ac40c679ba337a73d15c8a/src/inst_partners.yaml
(SC) Document what needs to be done to create an OVH account and get access

2020-08-26 Docker hub

(JK) Check in on Azure build workers to see if they have the docker hub limitation.
(JK) work with dockerhub to see if we can get OSS status
- Check in again at some point. We haven't heard back as of 2020-09-23

OVH

Attendees​

Standing items​

From previous meeting(s)​

Your new() agenda items​

Active votes​

CFEPs​

TODOs​